These are the same business metric, one is revenue...
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q
These are the same business metric, one is revenue the other is count of orders. Why the 1st section has enough data and the other section has not enough data? how this works? Is it a bug?
f
Each metric has their own min sample sizes
you can lower that number for the count metric
q
We checked and the two have the same min sample sizes. We didn't edited this value recently. Still not sure why they don't align on the experiment results. Why we should make it lower the 'count'? They are aligned at 150 metrics. We see this is as a Growthbook bug.
f
@helpful-application-7107 any thoughts?
q
I think the confusion is coming that the "revenue" metrics is wrongly based on amount $ value. In statistics globally speaking would make sense to have the same sample size, and that should be a numeric value like "count of items" and not "amount of revenue". As some products are having $2 cost, and some could have $499. Wiring these two into a sample size doesn't make sense.
I would rename Minimum Sample Value, vs Size to remove confusion.
h
Yes, calling the field
Sample Size
is a misnomer.
I totally agree.
q
Also on the top two charts you need to add the unit eg $ or count.
h
We should change it to be Minimum Metric Value or the like.
This change is overdue.
q
Do you have something planned for a revenue metric that is based on "sample size" param? I am after this param that you don't have.
h
What do you mean by this: > Also on the top two charts you need to add the unit eg $ or count. I'm not following the chart you mention.
Do you have something planned for a revenue metric that is based on "sample size" param? I am after this param that you don't have.
Just to be clear, you mean actually based on the denominator, in this case, N users, right?
q
here you need to display 150$ the $ is missing.
its very confusing one window to other
you need to align
h
Oh, yes. That's a good suggestion, thank you.
q
but I am against favoring a $ amount metric
I would +1 on the "size" metric, count of items.
for example I have freemium users, where revenue is $0.
I never to get a "decent threashold to this".
But with "size" I would reach the sample size.
Do you follow?
h
but I am against favoring a $ amount metric
What do you mean by this?
I understand, you want to make sure you have X users, regardless of what test you're running on, because for low-value users the total metric value may never exceed 100 or something until you have thousands of users.
q
can you hop on a call, it would make sense to explain easier.
h
Sure, is a slack huddle ok?
q
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h
To summarize for posterity... There are three potential "minimums": 1. Minimum sample size (we don't have this): based on the N users in your experiment 2. Minimum total metric value (what we currently call
Minimum sample size
): based on the total of the numerator in your experiment 3. Minimum total metric rows/counts (e.g. for a revenue metric, then this would essentially be the N of orders, not just the sum of the order values). We should immediately rename 2, and add 1 in the short term. Adding 3 requires changing fundamental models on our side and is a bit more complex and also niche. As for Marton's other queries: 1. The
No data
state occurs when there is a 0 in the numerator of your baseline metric. In this case, it is impossible to show Chance To Win and other metrics, but we can do a better job explaining what is going on. 2. We should also show
$
for the renamed minimum sample size on the metric overview page.
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